Well, on that matter, last Friday I went to a bar. Suddenly a bunch of 40+ year olds come in. I tap one on the shoulder and start dancing with her. Apparently, she was going to marry soon and had a bachelorette party with her neighbors.
Anyway, 10 minutes later I decide to leave, not finding any broad to my taste. I take my jacket, walk outside when suddenly a woman overtakes me. That jacket looked familiar to me, that was one of the women in the group. Strange she would already leave now. So, I add 1+1 and figured that she left because I left.
But there I had a moment of hesitation (major mistake) and instead of just wrapping my arm around her waist, I overtook her and asked if she was one of the women of the group. She flushed red and just answered yes, not looking into my eyes. I tried to get nearer to her. She avoided me and changed direction. I tried again, she moved out of the way again. I just let her go. (Second mistake although not really mattering at this point.)
Anyway, here was a 40+ woman thinking she could still play coy like she was 15. I just had a good laugh afterwards thinking how she would first beat herself for chickening out and then rationalize everything like I was the bad guy.
"Arlene" posted to a PUA message board this story about being deceived by canned PUA lines on an online dating site (emphasis mine):
About 2 years ago, I was doing online dating, and I came across this guy’s profile (pretty sure it was on eHarmony). He seemed clever and witty, really outgoing and extroverted.
He had this one line in his profile that I particularly liked- I can’t remember exactly how it went, but it was something like, “Beauty is common, so a girl has to have something extra about her to impress me.” I thought that was a nice sentiment, especially after reading profile after profile of shallow physical descriptions guys wanted. I was horrified when I talked to one guy on the phone and he told me that if any girl he was dating ever exceeded 130 pounds, that was grounds to dump her on the spot. He claimed he was joking, but I couldn’t delete his number fast enough. So in contrast, that line about beauty being common seemed refreshingly unsuperficial.
We talked on the phone, and the first thing I was immediately struck by was how different he seemed from his profile. He seemed shy, a little nerdy, introspective and thoughtful. Kind of socially awkward, not anything close to the confident, outgoing guy in his profile.
I talked to him on the phone a couple times, trying to catch a glimpse of the guy I had seen online, but no luck. He was interested in meeting up in person, but I wasn’t, so things ended right there.
…Until maybe 2 or 3 months later when I was reading The Pickup Artist and recognized the same words on the page as words I had read months earlier. Word for word, exact quotes. I was shocked. Here were my general thoughts:
1. That is so fucking messed up. I’m really pissed off! I want to slap this guy across the face!
2. What a desperate, pathetic loser that his own personality is so bad, he has to imitate someone elses.
3. So that explains why he was completely different over the phone!
I actually ended up sending him a couple nasty texts and then deleting his number.
MUCH later, I got a text from an unknown number. I asked who it was. He wouldn’t tell me who it was until he had played this whole “guess who I am” game with me for ten minutes. I think it was his way of feeling powerful and in-control, and a way to get me to talk to him. And then when he finally revealed his name, I couldn’t remember who he was at first. Anyway, he told me that I was basically a bitch because at the time I had sent my mean texts, his dad had been in the hospital with a stroke. I apologized for the timing but not for being angry about what he did. To my surprise, he completely defended himself, saying that even though he had gotten the ideas from The Pick Up Artist, he still believed in everything he had written and it was no different from “quoting your favorite line from a book.”
Is “Game” moral? Probably not. Is it “fair”? Probably not. But is it “fair” that most genuine guys are rejected in seconds? Probably not. Until the social status quo changes, guys are going to make their own opportunities in any way possible.
When girls start feeling less entitled and guys aren’t expected to make all the moves and take all the risks *then* you can start complaining about guys using tactics and plans and seeking advice.
a-bloo bloo bloo why should i have to take the grave life-or-death risk of talking to women and attempting to treat them like human beings
“Tried to use it on Zoosk. Out of 20+ girls only 1 reply ‘Umm.. why?’. Didnt reply to my next mssg. Txted mostly to local girls( Atlanta area).. Prolly has to do with demographic. Most girls in GA are weird :/ However, might very likely to be because of an almost empty profile and lack of pics. Gotta experiment with that.. Will post here later if I see any changes after improving my profile”—PUA Forum member “Dmitriy” trying to figure out why his canned “online opener” isn’t working.
Watching the video, reading the description, it sounds fairly innocent but a little eye-roll inducing. It’s another book where some nerd, desperate to be liked by women (this is not an insult, we are ALL desperate to be liked by someone we want to have sex with) thinks he’s figured out some cheat code or check-list like routine they can run in a bar to make women sleep with them, as if women aren’t people but a series of subroutines or an obstacle course that they can optimize to get their dick wet as fast as possible. And he’s written that advice down! And he’s selling it! To you! You could learn his cheat codes. This is nothing new for the internet. In fact, a large swath of this book was published already on Reddit. What’s new is that he’s crowdfunding it.
And sure, you might think this is sad or dumb or that this guy is just another lonely dude talking to other lonely dudes who’ll head out into the night with their fedoras to failure, right? Not a big deal? Oops, turns out we’re wrong, because here are some excerpts from what he’s already put on Reddit -
”5) Get CLOSE to her, damn it!
To quote Rob Judge, “Personal space is for pussies.” I already told you that the most successful seducers are those who can’t keep their hands off of women. Well you’re not gonna be able to do that if you aren’t in close! ”
“All the greatest seducers in history could not keep their hands off of women. They aggressively escalated physically with every woman they were flirting with. They began touching them immediately, kept great body language and eye contact, and were shameless in their physicality. Even when a girl rejects your advances, she KNOWS that you desire her. That’s hot. It arouses her physically and psychologically.”
“Decide that you’re going to sit in a position where you can rub her leg and back. Physically pick her up and sit her on your lap. Don’t ask for permission. Be dominant. Force her to rebuff your advances.”
Pull out your cock and put her hand on it. Remember, she is letting you do this because you have established yourself as a LEADER. Don’t ask for permission, GRAB HER HAND, and put it right on your dick.”
This guy is no longer just being weird and creepy on the internet. Now he’s writing a book about how to sexually assault women, and he is using something I believe in (Kickstarter) to ask YOU for money to do it. I am offended as someone who believes in the platform, and more importantly I am offended as someone who believes women shouldn’t be treated this way, and that people who say otherwise CERTAINLY should not profit off saying they should.
This isn’t harmless. People come to these boards because they are scared of being humiliated, and they are saying to the world, “Tell me what to do, because I don’t know what to do.” And this guy has chosen to tell them, “You should be a rapist.”
There’s largely nothing we can do about people saying this shit on a place like Reddit - Reddit’s a mess for another time - but let’s get it off of Kickstarter. The project is funded in 10 hours - and unfortunately a lot of those are sleeping hours - but PLEASE report it to Kickstarter, please tweet @Kickstarter asking them to take it down, and PLEASE do not let something cool be used for the UGLIEST thing imaginable.
Bonus facts about Dimitri the Lover: He calls his system “Rasputin MindRape” and lost his medical license for sexually assaulting female patients. Apparently, he’s an infamous crackpot scumbag in Toronto.
So, PUAs are human garbage because they have the balls (confidence) to talk to us girls; while other guys are too timid to even make solid eye contact? You're kidding right? And by the way, I read the whole post from the message board, in example #15 about "get lost loser"; The guy who wrote that is spot on. We girls absolutely test guys when we're interested. (Ya know, you might want to think about learning a thing or two.)
if i told you “fuck off forever, idiot PUA pretending to be a woman,” would you just turn it into another stupid neg